The multipolar world. Interview with Sergio Gouvea (Brasil)


The multipolar world. Interview with Sergio Gouvea (Brasil)


Natella Speranskaya: The collapse of the Soviet Union meant the cancellation of the Yalta system of international relations and the triumph of the single hegemon - the United States, and as a consequence, transformation of the bipolar world order to the unipolar model. Nevertheless, some analysts are still talking about a possible return to the bipolar model. How do you feel about this hypothesis? Is there a likelihood of emergence of a power capable of challenging the global hegemon?


Sergio Gouvea: I do not see the possibility of a return to the bipolar model as something likely to happen. No nation can match, or even challenge, America’s military or economic power and sphere of influence. Russia and China, which seem potentially dangerous to US’s hegemony, could not, in any way, overthrow its power. There is no global ideological basis to sustain an overturn of the situation. Globalized world has been shaped according to the United States ideal of Liberalism, since no other country has developed its own Liberal Way of Life to the extent of America, there is no serious danger of a change of actors (which would be totally meaningless, to replace a Liberal Hyperpower with another). It is already too late to try and indoctrinate the global community on a world-view other than liberalism. The very collapse of the Soviet Union shows us that such an attempt is completely out of time.

We come to a scenario in which the only way out is global revolution. In fact, this is the first time that we face a situation that can effectively sustain such revolution. The main error of the Socialist Global Revolution, was trying to apply this concept in a world that was still multiple, heterogeneous, that had different concepts of civilization around the four corners of the globe. On the other hand, we are faced now with the One World; a world where we’re globally devastated by the same evils, a world where we can consciously talk about Global Revolution against the One Enemy. This is the only power, the only way capable of challenging global hegemony.


Natella Speranskaya: Zbigniew Brzezinski openly admits that the U.S. is gradually losing its influence. Here it is possible to apply the concept of "imperial overstretch", introduced by renowned historian Paul Kennedy. Perhaps, America has faced that, what was previously experienced by the Soviet Union. How do you assess the current state of the U.S.?


Sergio Gouvea: The current state of the United States is chaotic. America has fallen prey to its own imperial appetites. It has not only reached what was experienced by the Soviet Union, but gone way farther. Being the sole hyperpower existing in the world, the United States has committed the two essential sins of an Empire, it has meddled too much in situations that didn’t concern them, out of pure blind vanity, and gone soft internally. This is a process that has been going on for at least a century, but has reached it maximum stage during the last two decades. During the 20th Century, the exploited nations had an internal hope for change and for help; Populist, Socialist and Nationalist leaders and superpowers still existed to give them support, to balance the ideological struggle. With the coming of the last decade of the last century, there was no hope left for the exploited. The United States sowed pure arrogance among the peoples of the world, and it is now harvesting pure hatred. They acted like children with no parents to tell them when to stop. They went too far and spent too much. They can no longer win or even wage wars, they are indebted to the neck and the whole world is about to burst against them. The Empire is in tatters, they will fall, either from within, or the world will serve their head on a plate.


Natella Speranskaya: The loss of global influence of the U.S. means no more, no less, as the end of the unipolar world. But here the question arises as - to which model will happen the transition in the nearest future? On the one hand, we have all the prerequisites for the emergence of the multipolar world, on the other – we face the risk of encountering non-polarity, which would mean a real chaos.


Sergio Gouvea: I think the answer lies on the two possible futures for the United States I mentioned above. I believe we’ll see a non-polar world if the Empire crumbles from within. This will not change the existing World Order, there will be no major changes in global ideology and global elites. The United States will fall as hegemonic country, but the elites who control the US will still be there, controlling money flow, politics and military. The fall of the Empire will happen because it will be no longer vital for the establishment of the ruling elite. Global Market will be a reality and every single leader (I don’t think we can truthfully talk about nations or civilizations at that point) will answer directly to the Global Elite. The Kingdom of the Antichrist will be consummate, chaos will reign.

The other possible scenario is the accomplishment of GlGobal Revolution, where the Empire will be forced to step down because the world will no longer tolerate it. If this happens (and the Providence may grant us that), the United States and its allies will be removed from power along with their system and its structures. Only then a real multi-polar world can thrive. This would be a world where the elites would be loyal to their own peoples and civilizations, no longer vassals of the Global Liberal Elite, but victorious revolutionaries against the Liberal World Order, able to develop in any way they seem plausible.


Natella Speranskaya: The project of "counter-hegemony," developed by Cox, aims to expose the existing order in international relations and raise the rebellion against it. For this, Cox calls for the creation of counter-hegemonic bloc, which will include those political actors who reject the existing hegemony. The basis of the unipolar model imposed by the United States, is a liberal ideology. From this we can conclude that the basis of the multipolar model just the same has to be based on some ideology. Which ideology, in your opinion, can take replace the counter-hegemonic one, capable of uniting a number of political actors who do not agree with the hegemony of the West?


Sergio Gouvea: As I have previously asserted, we fight in the perfect battleground for a Global Revolution. The “counter-hegemony” currents can no longer struggle among themselves, there is only one enemy worth fighting against, and it is the Global Liberal Elite. We can choose to unite and fight, and solve our differences later, or to be decimated by the common enemy. With this in mind, we can recall to Prof. Dugin’s Fourth Political Theory as the only one capable of uniting the resistance fighters. It no longer matters whether you’re an Orthodox Marxist, a Fascist, a Traditionalist, or a Guardian of Faith, it is time to fight back, to fight for our own existence. Not even one of us can survive in the One World, but we can only coexist, dialogue or even keep fighting, in a world where our existence is real and meaningful. If we act accordingly to Prof. Dugin’s Fourth Political Theory based on the Dasein, there’s an enormous chance that we’ll win the battle and earn a sane world worth living in, where we can develop our own civilizations and recover our own being.

Those who wish to put an end to this devilish world, should get in contact, as soon as possible, with Alexander Dugin’s work!


Natella Speranskaya:  If we project the multipolar model on the economic world map, then we’ll get the coexistence of multiple poles, and at the same time, will create a completematrix for the emergence of a new economy - outside of Western capitalist discourse. In your opinion, is the concept of “autarky of big spaces”, suggested by List, applicable for this?


Sergio Gouvea: This “autarky of big spaces” is an absolutely reliable project for the multi-polar world to come. It can sort out a perfect synthesis for the post-Capitalist era. When Global-Market is no longer the rule, different continents will need to count on their historical brothers for full development. A world divided in “big spaces”, can produce whatever a civilization needs. There is no continent on the globe unable to produce for its own subsistence; on the contrary, they can produce for they own consumption and much more in order to provide the means for a civilizational resurgence. This model will not only supply civilizations, but also grant a fair distribution of basic needs products (contrary to what happens in global-capitalism). Many of the global conflicts can be put to an end with the implementation of such idea, leading to a logical functionality of the Multi-Polar World. And, of course, this does not exclude the possibility of exchange between different “big spaces”. Only an Ultra-Liberal can be opposed to this.


Natella Speranskaya: We are now on the verge of paradigmatic transition from the unipolar world order model to the multi-polar one, where the actors are no more nation-states, but entire civilizations. Recently in Russia was published a book "Theory of multipolar world," written by the Doctor of Political and Social Sciences, Professor Alexander Dugin. This book lays the theoretical foundation, basis, from which a new historical stage can start, and describes a number of changes both in the foreign policy of nation-states and in today's global economy, which involve a transition to the multipolar model. Of course, this also means the emergence of a new diplomatic language. Do you believe that multipolarity is the natural state of the world and that transition to the multipolar model is inevitable?


Sergio Gouvea: Yes, I do believe in such assertion. Normal, organic world will always be multi-polar. The return to this stage is inevitable. We can choose between two ways: going from unipolar directly to multi-polar world; or taking a small detour through non-polarity. We can already see the agents of multipolarity acting all over the World; from Non-Aligned countries like Venezuela, Iran, Cuba and North Korea, to whole civilizations, as Dugin’s Eurasia and China (despite of the yet not clear decision by their part). We can definitely say that we’re on the right path.

If the Global Elite makes a faster move and institutionalizes a non-polar world, ruled by them, they can be sure this is only temporary, because men’s Spirit will never tolerate enslavement for too long. Their little Global Empire will be doomed from the start and their death certificate will be signed. No Empire lasts forever, but men carries Eternity within his deepest self, this is his always present Salvation.